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Poster: HistoryTeacher Date: May 20, 2005 10:16pm
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Universal Newsreels...How Many Files?

I am very happy to note the steadily increasing number of files appearing in the Universal Newsreel section.

Just how many files will the entire collection consist of, and what sort of timeline are we looking at for the upload to be completed?

TIA

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Poster: akb Date: May 21, 2005 12:42pm
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re: Universal Newsreels...How Many Files?

The source for this collection is here.

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Poster: MrMovie Date: May 21, 2005 11:22am
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re :How Many Files? & A Question About 'No Sound' ? & Other?s

Based on what I'm seeing here, and I'm not the one doing the postings, I would have to assume that IF the poster is going to put them all out here, there is a long, long, long way to go. I noticed they are at something like 400+ and they have not even scratched the 1930s or 1940s yet. I've also noticed a lot of missing dates in some of the years that are posted. I'm wondering if those just were not available or if the quality was so horrible they opted to leave them off. It seemed like all of 1959 was there, but other 1950s skipped a few and what happend to 1953 and 1954? Not many of those either not to mention that there are many from the decade of the 1960s that are not out here. One would also have to assume that between 1941 and 1949 there must be another 400 laying around. If I had to take an educated guess based on what is out here now, I'd say that by the time they get finished with all of this there is going to be over 1000 files. It would probably be far less, but for some reason they are not putting out the full newsreels only pieces of them. I wonder why? The other thing that baffles me is wasn't sound film around in 1929? So why are the early 1930 newsreels silent? Couldn't Universal afford sound cameras? I wonder if anyone can answer this question or is it that the stock from where these are coming from had lost the soundtrack which of course, doesn't make any sense if that is the case.

This post was modified by MrMovie on 2005-05-21 18:18:36

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: May 21, 2005 2:46pm
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re: Re :How Many Files? & A Question About 'No Sound' ? & Other?s

The Newsreel Clips that are currently put online are from a collection of DVDs that were made from tapes made by the National Archives. Everything that's on the DVDs will be online, but the DVDs don't have every newsreel made. This is either because the curator of the DVDs chose specific clips or only had access to certain tapes at the National Archives. For some of the clips, we have a lot of data, for others, not so much. For some clips on the DVDs, I can find no data at all, but I felt it important to include those clips in hopes that the data would be found later.

Regarding the sound, it's possible that some of the newsreels' soundtracks were damaged or the National Archives print of a particular newsreel didn't have sound.

Hopefully, this collection is just a stepping stone to a more comprehensive collection of newsreels in the future.

Enjoy!
Skip

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Poster: MrMovie Date: May 22, 2005 1:39am
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re: Re :How Many Files? Thanks Skip!

Thanks for all that info. I've been to the site a few times that shows where these DVDs are, but there isn't as much info there as what you provided. Thanks for the update!

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Poster: Rick Prelinger Date: May 23, 2005 12:33pm
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re: Re :How Many Files? & A Question About 'No Sound' ? & Other?s

OK, here's a bit on how newsreel companies handled their libraries -- not a complete explanation, but I hope it answers some questions.

Newsreels usually appeared 2x/week plus some special issues when big events happened. Some newsreel companies kept copies of the complete newsreel issues, which contained from three to ten (sometimes more, sometimes less) stories. Some did not. After a weekly issue was stale, staff editors cut the original negatives (and tracks, in the sound era) for each story and vaulted each story separately. So in many, perhaps most, cases, newsreel libraries held a bunch of separate stories, not a bunch of assembled newsreels.

Remember that original neg generally doesn't have sound in the 35mm era -- sound is on a separate optical track. Universal junked most of its tracks prior to donating its library to NARA, which is why many seqs you see have no sound.

Remember also that outtakes and unused material sometimes have natural sound, sometimes not. Especially in the later years, newsreels tended to substitute background music and narration for natural sound.

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: May 21, 2005 2:43pm
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re: Universal Newsreels...How Many Files?

I'm chugging away with the late 1930s/early 1940s right now.

Hopefully, by the end of next week, all of the newsreels from the DVD collection will be online.

Skip

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Poster: MrMovie Date: May 23, 2005 9:40am
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Skip..... How's The 'Chugging Away' Going ?

To your knowledge was there any more from the 1960s specifically 1962 - 1966 or what is out here it? The 50s section is darn good and what's not covered is most certainly available in all of the WB Pathe Newsreels (News Mags of the Screen) in the Archive. Thanks again for these great newsreels. Are the Paramount News Reels Next? Should be around 2,000 of those.

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Poster: Rick Prelinger Date: May 23, 2005 12:32pm
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re: Skip..... How's The 'Chugging Away' Going ?

Paramount newsreels are under copyright.

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Poster: MrMovie Date: May 24, 2005 6:19am
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Thanks Rick !

What in the world are the Paramount Newsreels still doing under copyright. What-ever do they plan to do with those; Start the Paramount Ancient News Reel Channel?

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Poster: akb Date: May 24, 2005 6:55am
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re: Thanks Rick !

They license the footage for documentaries and the like for $50+ per second.

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Poster: MrMovie Date: May 24, 2005 9:28am
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re: Paramount Newsreels @ $50 per second!

I can almost believe that. However, I have about ten Paramount Newsreels on video that I culled from of all places TCM (Turner Classic Movies)They ran them as part of their "one reel wonders." This said, I seriously doubt Time Warner paid for the aiiring of those newsreels on TCM. Somthing leads me to belive that there must be a few that slipped past copyright renewals along with POPULAR SCIENCE films that have also been showing up on TCM. Of course, who the heck want's to do the research to find out which one's are copyright and which one's aren't? I also believe that 99% of those 'one reel wonders' run in between the films on TCM are all in the Public Domain since prior to Ted Turner discovering them in an abandond salt mine there is no way, given the state of MGM prior to it's demise that those had their copyrights renewed. I know that TCM also shows quite a few PD features that they have added to their library. I got way off topic here. LOL

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Poster: Fact_Checker Date: Aug 6, 2009 4:08pm
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: MGM shorts renewals

The Film Superlist books indicate proof of the opposite. MGM did renew most of their short films.

This post was modified by Fact_Checker on 2009-08-06 23:08:17

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Poster: akb Date: May 25, 2005 12:23am
Forum: universal_newsreels Subject: Re: Paramount Newsreels @ $50 per second!

Of course, who the heck want's to do the research to find out which one's are copyright and which one's aren't?

If you are making a documentary for major distribution the insurance companies involved require copyright clearance documentation and indemnification from stock footage houses.